Shipsinformation

I sent a message to the ships list about a relative coming to the USA.
I asked about the time it took from Liverpool to either Boston, New York, & Philadelphia.

Here is the answer. (thanks John)

Hello Jerry.
You would need to know the type of ship that made the journey,{Sail-Steamship-Raft}. A ships speed, is measured in knots. Look at the following description after my letter to you. Keep in mind, that a ship's speed is very slow compared to an automobile or any other motorized vehicle. But the ship was traveling in most cases for 24 hours per day. So if you have a ship that sails at 10 knots, it would travel about 260 miles or more per day if there were no stops for fuel, cargo, etc. So you could measure the distance from Liverpool to Boston/New York, and that would be roughly about 3000 miles. So 3000 miles, times 10 knots per hour, would give you the arrival date in about 10-14 days.
Regards,
John Schlesinger.
Knot means one nautical mile per hour.
A ship's speed is measured in
*knots.
A nautical mile equals 6,076 feet (1,852 meters), and a
land mile equals 5,280 feet (1,609 meters).
Therefore, a ship that does 10 knots travels somewhat faster than 10 miles (16 kilometers)
per hour. See KNOT.

Information about seamen

The following is translated from Håkan Skogsjö, Editor of Rötter, from the Rötter archives:

"Information about seamen can be found in the Seamen's archives. Seamen's Houses were Government institutions which came into being 1752. The archives are preserved from the late 1700's and are kept at the Landsarkiven. They are also on Microfische and can be hired from SVAR.

The rolls are chronological, giving the ship's name, home port, owner and destination, the befälhavare and crew. If I am not mistaken there are also films recording all the seamen enrolled at that Sjömanshus with some personal details such as date and place of birth, next of kin, home residence.

Unfortunately seamen as a group have not been studied in depth by any Swedish genealogists as yet. Archivist Kjell-Ove Persson of the Landsarkivet in Lund has, in Skånes Genealogiska Förenings 150th Anniversary magazine 1937-1987 (published 1987) published an article with the title "Sjömanshusarkiv". The article is a great help to those researching seamen in Sweden."

Also bear in mind that the Emigranten CD has a database called EMISJÖ. It contains the names of approx. 20,000 seamen who (1812-1930) jumped ship or signed off from their ship outside of Europe, primarily in North or South America, Africa and Australia, and who can be thought to have taken up residence there. The information was taken from the Göteborgs sjömanshus archives.

Good luck, Chris

Travel food for one person

From THE PEOPLE OF THE RED BARNS by Elsa Lagevik- emigrants from
Vastermanland, Kopparberg Gavleborg, Vasternorrland, Jamtlands,
Vasterbottons, Norrbottens 1851-1863 Page 145

Travel food for one person:

8 loaves of rye bread
20 loaves of barley bread
1 cheese
1 butter keg
8 kannor beer
rye Rusks
coffee, tea
1 sack of grain
1 kanna honey
1 pc. Salted pork
1 pc of salted sausage
1 smoked sheep shoulder
1 sack of flour

This list is posted in the Swedsburg Museum in Iowa

ROMEO was a ship of The Wilson Line of Hull. I expect that Gustaf sailed from Göteborg to Hull, then took the train to probably Liverpool, where he would have caught a transatlantic steamer to Quebec. Here are a few possible ships.

Ship Name Departure Arrival Reel # List #

NUMIDIAN     Liverpool 1893-07-27   Quebec    1893-08-05   C-4539   67
OREGON       Liverpool 1893-07-28     Quebec     1893-08-07 C-4539   69
LAKE HURON Liverpool 1893-07-29    Quebec   1893-08-11 C-4539 70
SARDINIAN    Liverpool 1893-08-03    Quebec   1893-08-12   C-4539   71
LAKE WINNIPEG Liverpool 1893-08-05 Montreal 1893-08-14 C-4539 72
TORONTO       Liverpool 1893-08-03    Quebec   1893-08-14   C-4539   73

The passenger manifest is on Microfilm at the National Archives of Canada, in Ottawa (NAC). The Ships are placed on the reel, in order of arrival. You can borrow this reel on an Inter Library Loan (ILL). You can find the details for this procedure at this URL.          http://www.archives.ca/www/Genealogy.html

Some Provincial Archives also carry some or all of these reels, they may
use their own Ref: #, but will be able to cross reference using the NAC #.
If they don't have the reels in their holdings, they could arrange the ILL
for you. Many libraries will also arrange an ILL if they have a microfilm
reader, or preferably a reader/copier.

The LDS also holds the microfilm for the years below.
For the port of Quebec: Film # 889440 to 889467 for the years 1865 to 1900

I don't know which reel number for which year though.

For information on how your Grandfather may have traveled from Quebec to
the US, go to our searchable mail list archives and search by subject, for
example, GREAT LAKES-ROUTES/RATES

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The Wilson ships that brought emigrants from Göteborg to Hull always
departed on Fridays. Normally the crossing took 50 hours. If conditions
were good, it happened that you could come over the North Sea in 39
hours. But sometimes you did not reach Hull until Monday morning after
being at sea for 70 hours. I have notes made by an emigrant from here about his journey to America, and he says that the railway trip started in Hull at 4 in the afternoon. and ended at Liverpool Central Station at 10.30 in the evening.
"My" emigrant had to stay 9 days in Liverpool before he could embark his
Atlantic liner. As a rule emigrants expected to be able to leave in 1-4
days after arriving in Liverpool, but because of over bookings they often
had to wait much longer. In the contracts it said (in brevier!) that the
departure was to be in 12 days. Greetings, Kjell.

Gustaf Långström/Longstrom sailed on this ship, the S. S. Numidian from Liverpool to Quebec Canada on On July 27 1893, and arrived there on August 5 1893.

At this time I believe he took a train to the USA, but have not confirmed this.

This information is in the records found in the LDS library, for arrivals in Quebec in 1893.
The S. S. Numidian was built in 1891 by D. & W. Henderson & Co., Glasgow, Scotland. Tonnage: 4,836. Dimensions: 400' x 45'. Single-screw, 13 1/2 knots. Triple expansion engines. Two masts and one funnel. Steel hull. Passengers: 100 first, 80 second, 1,000 third.
Maiden voyage: Liverpool-Quebec-Montreal, August 20, 1891.
Made her final voyage to Boston in 1914.

In the first World War she was filled with cement and sunk, so as to
block a channel against submarines. Sister ship: Mongolian.
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Information about Canadian records.

Even though the Canadian records are unindexed, you are still in luck, as
the LDS do have copies of the Quebec arrival film for 1893. Also, there
were only 12 Liverpool departures in July, and 12 in August which were
bound for Quebec. In 1893, you _may_ find your Grandfather listed as
Swedish, or simply in the "foreign" column. As this was a British created
list, you may find him listed either with his patronymic name, _or_ his
"family name", so when you read the film, concentrate on his first name and
approximate age. There should be a separate page(s) for those bound to the
US. Quebec is where he would have disembarked, and in 1893, would most
likely have travelled all the way by train to a US border port for entry
into the US. The passenger list may simply mention that he was bound to
the US, or it may give the US State of destination and maybe the town ....
they are not consistant in their content.
LDS number 0889463 ~ 1893 ..... Quebec arrivals

Information from Sue & Gery Swiggum

The "Orlando"
of 1876 was a 1,473 gross ton ship, built by C & W. Earle,
Hull for Thos. Wilson, Sons & Co. Her details were - length 260.4ft x beam
32.2ft, one funnel, two masts, accommodation for 44-1st, 36-2nd and a
considerable number of steerage class passengers. Launched in Dec.1869 and
used on the Baltic and North Sea routes, she was lengthened to 274ft, 1,610
gross tons in 1878 and re-engined in 1897. Sold to P. Castanie, Oran in
1909 and renamed "Algerie", again renamed "Dzezair" in 1913, and sold to J.
Avranitidi, Constantinople in 1914 and named "Velissarios". In March 1914
she was laid up at Constantinople and in Nov.1914 was inspected by German
and Turkish Naval officers for possible use as a transport, but rejected as
being in too poor a condition. In 1916 she was taken up by the Turkish navy
due to heavy losses of Turkish ships and placed under the management of
Osmanli SS Co. Renamed "Umit" she was again laid up in 1919 until 1922 when
she was used as an army transport in the Black Sea. In 1923 she was sold to
Turkish owners and renamed "Umid", and on 17th Mar.1924 was wrecked on the breakwater at Carodia while on passage to Crete to rescue Turkish
refugees
Here is what the 1887-88 Lloyd's Register of Shipping lists for the ship.
ORLANDO. Call sign : JPVG. Official registration # : 60199. Master :
Captain F. Dossor. Rigging : iron single screw steam Schooner; 2 decks; 2
bulkheads and 3 partial bulkheads. Tonnage : 1,581 tons gross, 1,197 under
deck and 1,031 net. Dimensions : 274 feet long, 32.2 foot beam and 19 feet
deep ; Forecastle 29 feet long; ship lengthened in 1878; major repairs in
1873. Built : in 1869 by C. & W. Earle in Hull. Propulsion : compound
engine with 2 cylinders of 38 & 76 inches diameter respectively; 300
horsepower; new boilers in 1878; engine built by the same company as the
hull. Owners : T. Wilson, Sons & Co. Port of registry : Hull.

Question about Källkod numbers

A little background: from what I understand, and what I have been telling
people for years, the Källkod, which we refer to as the "contract number,"
has three parts to it. Here's an example

Förnamn:         GRETA
Efternamn:       GARBO
Ålder:           19 år     Kön: K
Församling:          Län: A
Titel/Anm:       SKÅDESPELARE (actress)
Utresehamn:      GÖTEBORG
Utvandrdag:      1925 06 26
Destination:     NEW YORK
Källkod:         115:1137:50367B

When Garbo left Göteborg for America the first time, her contract number was
115:1137:50367B. In the port archives in Göteborg, the original registration
lists are kept in big books, which have been numbered. The number of the
book that contains this Garbo departure was 115. Her entry is on page 1137
in book 115. The number on the actual ticket, or contract, that she
purchased for travel was 50367B. People were listed in the order that they
purchased their tickets.

Here's the what I tell patrons when we find their people in Emihamn:

To find the name of the ship on which the passenger left the port of
Göteborg (and probably took as far as England, depending on the time
period), you can e-mail the Provincial Archives in Göteborg. Give them the
passenger's name, date of departure, and contract number (källkod).
Landsarkivet PO Box 19035 They do not require a fee if you provide
them with the SE-400 12 Göteborg passenger's name and contract number.
Sweden    e-mail: landsarkivet@landsarkivet-goteborg.ra.se

I have done this myself for my husband's ancestors who left from Göteborg
and they answered within a couple of weeks. They sent the name of the ship
and its destination (the "Hero" which went to Leith).

I have the same sort of instructions for people leaving from the port of
Malmö, but am not convinced that they have the same "offer." Several months
ago, my mother wrote to Stadsarkivet i Malmö with her ancestor's contract
number and has not yet heard from them. In that case, I suggest going
straight to the original registration lists on LDS microfilm. Below is what
I print out for Malmö departure info.

To find the name of the ship on which the passenger left Malmö (and probably
took as far as the British Isles), you can send e-mail to the City Archives
in Malmö. Give them the passenger's name, date of departure, and contract
number (Källkod). If you don't have e-mail, you can go to a local Mormon
(LDS) Family History branch library and order the microfilm of the original
ship registration lists (we do not have the registration list films here).
Their film number for Malmö for the year ____ is (I have a list of LDS film
numbers). Using the date of departure and contract number from our index
page, you can easily locate the passenger record on the registration list
when you find the ships leaving on the same date that your passenger
departed. It would be wise to confirm the film number before ordering. If
you don't have an LDS library near you, you can also write to the City
Archives in Malmö: Stadsarkivet Stora Varvsgatan 11 SE-211 19 Malmö
Sweden     e-mail ake.norstrom@malmo.se

I have LDS film numbers for Göteborg, too, if it interests you to see what
the original registration lists look like for Göteborg, too. For departures
from Stockholm, I have no such suggestions for archives or for LDS films.
Same with U.S. arrival records.

If you don't find your people leaving Swedish ports, remember that there
were supposedly 56,000 Swedes who left from Danish ports and thousands from
Norwegian ports and that their databases are searchable on the web:
Norwegian
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/wc/webcens.exe?slag=meny&kategori=5&emne=1&spraak=

Danish
http://www.emiarch.dk/search.php3?l=en

I hope this helps someone. This is pretty-much all I know about it, but if
there are more questions, I'll try to answer them. Keep in mind that I
rarely have time to answer right away.

Jill Seaholm, Genealogy swseaholm at augustana dot edu Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center Augustana College 639 38th St Rock Island IL 61201-2296
http://www.augustana.edu/administration/swenson/
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The source code will tell you the name of the ship that brought your emigrant over to England from Sweden. It also has the name of the agent. Each agent represented a transatlantic shipping line, so if you know the name of the agent, you will also know the name of the line that took your ancestor over the Atlantic. That should make it easier for you to find the right ship in the American manifests. In the emigrant museum in Liverpool I noticed that they had the Lloyd register of ship departures, but I do not know anything about their services. Notices of ship departures were also entered in Liverpool daily papers, but I am afraid there are no institutions in Liverpool that can do lookups on a larger scale.

Here is a list of a number of agents in Göteborg and the lines they worked for. It
is based on information in Gösta Lext´s book "Studier rörande svensk emigration till Nordamerika 1850-1880" (as far as I know not translated into English).
Printed in 1977. ISBN 91-7260-099-3.

John Andersson    Guion   1869-1874
Charles Berglund    Cunard   1875-1896
Leonard Borg    Anchor   1872-1893
Denovan, F.P.    American 1874-1884
Fehrlund, J.P.    Allan   1874-1882
Hartvig, Charles    Guion 1868-1869
Hällström, C.W.    White Star 1872-1905
Larsson, Elis    (Bröderna Larsson Guion 1876-1878
Samuel Larsson & Co.)     " 1878-1880
Johannes Larsson      " 1880-
Lyon, David    Allan 1868-1871
John Millar    Anchor 1869-1872    .
CJ Möllersvärd        " 1871-1874
Frederick Nelson    Inman 1868-1869
J.O.Nelson    National 1871-
John Odell    Inman 1871-1890
S.J. Palmquist    White Star -1871-
Frans Peterson    Guion 1871-1872
B.B. Peterson    National 1868-1878
Måns Herman Roos   Inman 1878
Sören Sörensen    Cunard 1868-1874
Johan Edvard Sörensson   Dominion 1880-1891
Alfred Wennerlund   Norddeutscher 1879-1888
     Lloyd

If you want to know what the "källkod" contains, contact Landsarkivet, Göteborg.

E-mail address: landsarkivet@ landsarkivet-goteborg.ra.se

Kjell Nordqvist (famous Genealogist from Karlskoga Sweden)